May 6, 2016

AVOID Market Index Analyst pvt ltd

You will lose your capital.


This is the email I received from them recently. My earlier post on this company.

They have discussed the best case scenario. What about the WORST case scenario? You will lose your money.

osar capital, hbj capital, shuble advisory, phisense,,


Everyone wants to earn money and that too quickly. Let me tell you a best-case scenario:
  • You wake up in the morning all excited about the money you are going to make via day-trading.
  • You get in front of your system sharp at 09:00 am.
  • You make a trade of Rs. 20,000 with a 5X exposure at 09:15 am.
  • Your security goes up by 5% at 09.30 am and suddenly you richer by Rs. 1000!!!
  • This continues for the 250 odd yearly trading days, and you happily accumulate close to Rs. 2.5 lakhs.
  • Lastly, the best part is that you are now earning more than 2.3 times the per capita GDP of our country and that too by devoting less than 150 odd hours in the entire year.
That’s great right? No, not at all! This has a 99% chance of becoming a nightmare you wouldn’t be able to forget for a very long time. There were two very important things that are yet to be considered before you start intraday trading as a source of side income or maybe a full time thing. Firstly, this was a best-case scenario that did not consider the time allocated for research, and secondly the hidden expenses. We’ll discuss more on this after some time.
To be clear, this time we are going all guns blazing against intraday trading and hope that by the end of this article, even you will start advocating the concept! Rather than giving you examples this time, we’ll directly start with why intraday trading doesn’t work the way you want it to!
I’m sure you might have heard the statistics that 97% intraday traders lose money, 2% manage to make a living out of it and only 1% actually make money! Yes, those numbers are harshly spot on. It is that 1% population that lets everyone know about their feat and create a sort of illusion – that anyone can do what they just did! Consider for a moment that everyone in that 95% category started following the ‘so-called-rules’ including the 1-1.5% stoploss protocol toted out by the 1% lot who now consider themselves as market gurus. So, what happens next? Stop loss orders would trigger all over the market and prices would inflate and deflate just as they do now. In simpler words, everyone trying to do the same right thing facilitates the same market movements when they are doing their own wrong thing. The point is, it doesn’t matter how people trade or if everyone traded the same way… most would still lose like they are losing now.
When we discuss this with our clients, we get a lot of resistance. Some say that if intraday trading is so unbecoming, why do the Dalal Street and Wall Street professionals day-trade all the time? Are they so absurd? Here’s what they missed out:
1) Most of these traders are trained professionals who get paid to day-trade using other people's money. Apart from that cushion of not using their own money, they earn a fixed percentage on the total traded amount as well on the profit. On the other hand, the average retail trader trades using her/his own money. So, they not only have to break even, but also bear the costs of brokerages, taxes, information, etc.
2) Secondly, the most important thing that matters is the difference between the resources a Dalal Street professional and a stay-at-home intraday trader have at their disposal. The skills, the privilege to first hand information, the tools, the cushion of not gambling with their own money, etc is what the latter can only dream of. This makes this competition like a college football team against, say Manchester United FC. Will it be possible for them win? Yes. But it is highly unlikely (1 in 1000 cases).
Intraday Trading is a zero-sum, infact a negative sum game if you factor in the commissions and service costs. Every paisa earned by one trader comes out of the pocket of another. In most of the cases, the average retail traders belong to the latter category. Think about it by yourself, given the resources, the chances of Dalal Street professionals losing is very low and their winnings have to come from somewhere, which is why they thank you for playing with them!
Finally, we’ll come to the part where we say that it is better to go to Vegas and gamble or simply work at McDonald’s than to day-trade! Apart from the above mentioned reasons of how illogical it is to compete with the professionals, intraday trading is a ‘dumb’ job. Yes, you read that right, it is actually a dumb thing to do which ensures that you lose money almost all the times (considering a 1 year horizon here). Have a look at 8 such reasons:
1) Intraday trading = Pure gambling
It might be fun to day-trade just like gambling, but it is nothing less than it, infact worse. Like you learn nothing when you gamble, you literally learn nothing from intraday trading also. But unlike gambling, you pay hefty fees irrespective of how much money you make or lose.
2) Hope becomes your strategy and Uncertainty becomes your best friend
You are a retail trader with no great resources as your disposal. Thus, you are bound to get to a point where you ‘hope’ you don’t get ruined and this is where you should realize that you have something wrong! Hoping is not a bad thing, but if it’s the only thing you rely on, means you haven’t considered all the possible outcomes. Remember, hoping for good things to happen is the most powerful as well as the most forgotten prayer.
3) You take too many or too less risks
Some traders take too many risks and go bankrupt and some people are just too cautious. Both do not fit the day-trading job! Some people are so afraid of a risk that they end up booking small profits which are all wiped out by one single loss.
4) Intraday trading takes a toll on your health
It pulls everything out of your life. One bad trade and you don’t sleep well, you don’t eat well and you don’t feel well! This goes on and on and you suddenly become depressed with your life. The only question here is, WHY?
5) You develop a thing called ‘commitment bias’ and make Greed your no. 1 enemy
When you trade intraday and it doesn’t work out, even when your heart wants it to, you simply start averaging. You think, just because you’ve already put in your time, energy and money, you should stick to the plan no matter what; and eventually end up losing more.
6) You start getting desperate for the so-called tips!
Another big threat to aspiring day-traders is from the community of fraud tipsters. Tips from these fake research companies who sometimes don’t even have real analysts can lead to more and more losses, but, there’s more to it. You try to pin that blame on these tip providers instead of analyzing the causes for your loss. Yes, you will feel victimized here, but it won’t stop your losses from continuing!
7) What if trading fails? What next?
Suppose you give in everything for day-trading, you do all the research, you follow all the protocols and you still don’t get lucky! What will you do next? At one point, you will have to quit, and when you do so, all the time and effort you’ve put in will count for nothing. In fact:
  • 40% of day traders quit within a month
  • 87% of day traders quit within 3 years
  • 93% of day traders quit within 5 years
It will be like you’ve lost all those months or years. There’s no going back!
But on the other hand, if you had dedicated that time doing a real job, like at McDonald’s (no offense), you could atleast use that experience for a better opportunity in the future. Just for your information, McDonald’s average hourly pay is around $4/hour i.e. instead of day-trading, if you work at this fast-food chain for 3 hours a day, you will end up earning approximately Rs. 800. Shocking right? Also, you could just go to Las Vegas or any casino for that matter and simply blow off your money. Who knows, you might get lucky once in a while, but you atleast know that the chances are negligible.
Remember, if it’s a bull market, everyone’s a hero. Else, this approach has its own huge drawbacks and a 100% (well almost 100%) chance of eroding your wealth. Real money is made by holding stocks and not trading them. This is where there’s a huge chance of you getting fooled by the self-named ‘TV Experts’. The same experts, who suggest you to buy a stock when it has peaked out, will advise you to sell it after it has made the lows. All they can do is follow the tail. If they were actually good at it, they wouldn’t have done it for free. So beware. There’s a reason why well known names in the world like Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch, Bill Gross, etc were not traders but long term investors. Also, you will find that most of the books on investment advice have been written on them and not traders.
Spend time in researching the fundamentals of a company and understand how good the business model is, instead of looking out for short term gains. You might get lucky once in a while, but overall, intraday trading makes you a big time nothing!
When markets are tried to be understood, the idea that everyone can make money is not only inaccurate, but impossible and laughable. Everyone making money means there is no market, because who would be taking the other side of the trade? Our job is making sure that you are on the right side of it! Keep in mind that most traders lose money because the market requires them to do so. You will most likely hear more stories of people making it big by intraday trading rather than hearing about people losing everything. Those rarest of the rare success stories will make you believe you have that one special something that will make it work for you, but it won’t.
There are no shortcuts to anything in the world, especially making money in the stock market. So take a step back if you are into it and make the right choice! Happy Investing!

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March 24, 2016

PRESS NOTICE: SEBI bans Osar Capital and Amit Baburao Ahire. March 17 2016

SEBI passed this order on March 17, 2016.

Mr Raman passed the order to stop Osar Capital and Amit Baburao Ahire from providing any investment services to the public.

Mr. Amit Baburao Ahire, a SEBI registered investment adviser, has blatantly violated the conditions subject to which he has been granted registration by knowingly and willingly allowing a SEBI debarred entity viz.HBJ Capital Services Private Limited to use his SEBI registration, for carrying out investment advisory services in return of money

The full order is available here:


We had sent complaints to SEBI against Osar capital and Amit baburao Ahire starting in Sep, 2015. The public should avoid dealing with such people.

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February 4, 2016

Phisense: trust or not?

Is this company to be trusted? NO

Received a call from a sales executive at Phisense Capital. This company has opened an office in bangalore recently.

Some points to note-

1)They got my email and phone number from moneycontrol. This is the first time an outside company has contacted me using my moneycontrol account in 9 years. I'm not sure who gave moneycontrol permission to give my details to outside marketers. (The marketing person might have been lying too.)

2)Phisense seems to be offering mainly to day and short term traders. For a mid-long term investor, they might not make much sense. Explore their website to understand their offerings.

3)The founder of Phisense might have appeared on moneycontrol and other tv shows, however, there seems to be no data prior to september, 2015 about this company. It might have been recently established.

4) This is the linkedin profile of the founder of the company-


from: saddam hussain <>
date: Wed, Feb , 2016
subject: Welcome to Phisense capital - Company profile and Info.

Thanking you to visit our website WWW.PHISENSE.COM.

Phisense is a company embedded with natural DNA. We are boutique research house and intend to carve a niche for ourselves, by delivering a set of customized and tailor made products.

A Naturally prevalent number series and ancient geometry is the engine that derives our quantitative models. Our name is derived from Phi the
Golden ratio (1.681) and also phi (0.618) ; These are the ratios found within the natures code or the Fibonacci number series.

The research initiative is headed by SARVENDRA SRIVASTAVA who is a certified CMT by the MTA, USA. He gets on table more than of 14 years of senior level experience and has the distinction of Heading the Technical research department for two leading brokerage houses.
He has been a regular contributor to the print and television media. Has been featured on all leading business channels like: NDTV Profit, CNBC,
Bloomberg UTV, ET Now , CNBC AWAAJ and others.

Phisense Capital do research in all part of the market and provides service for Equity, Future & Option, Commodity, Currency and Investment. Also we do research on Global Market and currency.
Our research is very helpful for those client who are looking for long term view of market that doesn't change frequently for the short term changes in the market .We are the expertise of Technical Research that is Headed by Mr. Sarvendra Srivastava.
Phisense Will tell you the right time to Enter into the market with your full capacity and when to Exit also.

Sebi Registration No- INH000002020
Name- Sarvendra Srivastava
Location- Thane (Mumbai)

10th Dec

27th Nov

26th Oct


"Bulls Eye challenge winner" on CNBC TV18 continuously for 4 days and for today also we are leading.

Stalemate could be broken this expiry


Phi and Fibonacci numbers have long been used for financial research.

Phi (1.618), the Golden Mean and the numbers of the Fibonacci series (0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, …) have been used with great success to analyze and predict market moves, known as retracements. Forbes ASAP featured a story on the work of scientist Stephen Wolfram in cellular automata (underlying rules that determine seemingly random phenomenon) stating “This seashell may hold the secret of financial market behavior, computers that think and the future of science.”

Phi, or Golden Ratio, patterns often define the timing of highs and lows and price resistance points

The golden ratio, or phi, appears frequently enough in the timing of highs and lows and price resistance points that adding this tool to technical analysis of the markets may help to identify Fibonacci retracements, the key turning points in price movements.

Phi and Fibonacci numbers define the price movements of stocks in Elliott Wave Theory

Fibonacci numbers were used by W.D Gann and R.N. Elliott, pioneers in technical analysis of the financial market.  In Elliott Wave Theory, all major market moves are described by a five-wave series, adding to the potential to identify the turns described above. The classic Elliott Wave series consists of an initial wave up, a second wave down (often retracing 61.8% of the initial move up), then the third wave (usually the largest) up again, then another retracement, and finally the fifth wave, which would exhaust the movement. In addition, each of the major waves (1, 3, and 5) could themselves be separated into subwaves.

Company Mission :
To unlock Natures code.

To be globally acclaimed quantitative Research House.

MOB -08069400055,08880621618


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Basant Maheshwari, Value investor

January 11, 2016

Shuble advisory: Trust or not

Received this email from shuble advisory,com

Is this company to be trusted? NO

This company has no details about its investment team.

It just mentions it has a team. Who are the members of the team, their qualifications, how long they have been in business, where have they worked earlier. No details.

Will you trust your hard earned money with somebody you have not seen, not spoken to, is not qualified?

Shuble advisory,com does not have a SEBI investment advisory registration number.

This shuble advisory is another of those HBJ offshoots.

Their domain registration details are hidden. This is another red flag.


I checked our their website and there is no information 
No details on
-who the team is
-what is their experience
-where have they learnt their investment trade
-why should I trust their advice
-where is their office (mentioned)
-what are their contact numbers? (mentioned)
-SEBI registration number

Shubleadvisory,com is owned by a person name Subha Kant Jain
This research analyst has worked at HBJ and is now working at Shuble Advisory.

registered address: (this is different from their office address, mentioned below)

BANGALORE - 560078
Karnataka - INDIA

office address

#11, 12, 13, 3rd floor, Nayaks pride,
Jalaram indl estate, Bannerghatta road,



Diwakar Vyas diwakar@shubleadvisory,comto:"" <>date:Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 15:21 PM
subject:Target oriented

Dear Sir,


scenario it will not easy to make profit without advisory service, where we will research more and will provide you sure-shot calls

  • We assure above 95% accuracy on consistent basis.
  • 4-5 Premium Positional future calls per week and 1 paid call from NSE per month.
  • Each call profit would be 30k to 60k
  • We will fix first target of 10 Lacs profit  and minimum 500 to 1000 Quantity you have to take.
  • This Package is Ideal for those who don't want to give Money in advance (Who want to Pay after Getting Profit)
  • Limited Quality calls of Stock Future, Nifty Future & Bank Nifty based on FII & DII Trades.
  • Calls through phone call with Proper Entry & Exit with strict SL.
  • Main feature of this Service is that you have to Pay out of your Profit not from your Capital.
  • Full support on Phone & Messenger in any situation.
  • Minimum Capital requirement: Rs 3,00,000 to 7,00,000
  • 100% money back guarantee.

Some Necessary point-

  • Only Software as well as internal news based call will be given to you.
  • Fully Strategy Based Call will be given to client.
  • We will  take care of client account. So no loss with 100% money back Guarantee.
  • We have also facility to handle client's terminal.
Subscription charges-

Installment - 20% charge on total return of 10 Lakh) as below. 15k you have to pay now for registration (which i will recover in 1-2 calls maximum)
  • First Installment 40k once you get return of 2 Lakh
  • Second Installment 40k once you get return of 4 Lakh
  • Third Installment 40K once you get return of 6 Lakh
  • Fourth Installment 40k once you get return of 8 Lakh.
  • Fifth Installment 40k once you get return of 10 Lakh.

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Basant Maheshwari, Value investor

December 27, 2015

Update on OSAR Capital / HBJ Capital Dec 2015

Osar capital seems to have been making changes in the past 2 months regarding its web presence.

1) It has shut down its osarcapital,com website and activated its osarcapital,in website.

2) osarcapital,in is now a single web page

The old osar dot com website had 5-6 pages (details of which are available on archive)

3)There is no contact info at all on their new website. No phone numbers, no email, no office address.

4) They have been indulging in heavy SEO activity to remove any negative websites(like, etc) (all archives of their activities is available)

5)They have removed all links that may have HBJ and Osar capital. (archives of which are available.)

6) On the osarcapital,com website, they had posted info about Amit Baburao Ahire, their investment advisor. Osarcapital,in does not have any info about him.

Want to make money in the stock market?

Then check the websites below.
The most important advice to make money in the stock market
Equitymaster  (Paid stock advisory services better than Osar capital)
Sanjay Bakshi, a successful value investor
Rakesh jhunjhunwala
Capital Ideas online Value investor Chetan Parikh
Basant Maheshwari, Value investor